Is it Poetry or Prose or Merely Verse?
73How did poetry begin?
Poetry began long before man started writing. It began as men tried to communicate important information that needed to be repeated often and to be passed from generation to generation. This information could be anything from prayers to the gods to recipes for magic charms and tales of heroes and daring deeds. Many of these developed in the the epic poetry you may remember studying in school -- tales such as Beowulf, which many of us did not appreciate much because it was in an older and unfamiliar version of English.
Back before written language, these poems served not only for instruction and religion, but also for entertainment in an age that not only did not enjoy electronics and TV, but did not even have books. All they had was oral language. Out of it, they put pleasing sounds and images together that were easy to remember. They became songs, chants, praises and prayers to gods, and even took the place of the newspapers we have today. This early poetry was sung, because we all know it's easier to remember a song than a paragraph. How did you learn your alphabet and how many days are in each month? Why are there musical versions of the multiplication tables? Because songs are easy to remember.
The Itsy Bitsy Spider
So what is poetry?
Before you ever thought about this, poetry was probably a big part of your life. If you were fortunate, your parents sang you lullabies and maybe even silly songs. They may have read you nursery rhymes and picture books. If so, you were introduced to verse and to rhythm, and possibly even to imagery and figurative language. You might also have responded emotionally. When we are preschool age and listening to the song in this video, we could very well have an emotional response, and the imagery doesn't need to be as subtle as when we get older. It and many of the songs you sung as a young child qualify as poetry.
Many people assume they know what poetry is and have never thought of trying to define it. Others throughout the centuries have tried to explain it. Many think poetry is that stuff they had to read in school and didn't like. They never thought of Elvis in connection with poetry, but much of what he sang was poetry. Seemingly there is even a difference of opinion on this site as to what constitutes poetry. So we will explore it.
In my own search for a definition, I consulted my Poet's Handbook by Clement Wood. On page three he simply defines it as "verse which produces a deep emotional response." Of course, to understand that, one has to know what verse is. Clement defines verse as "words arranged according to some conventionalized repetition. " So it appears poetry is one type of verse.
But what's to separate poetry from prose? Wood believes that in our western culture, prose is "words whose rhythm tends toward variety, rather than uniformity or regularity,"as opposed to poetry, in which the rhythm tends toward regularity. He also points out that in some other cultures, notably the Hebrew culture, the conventions are different. For purposes of our discussion here, we will consider western conventions, keeping in mind that Oriental and Semitic cultures have different criteria, which are equally valid. One common thread I see running through all is that poetry means to elicit an emotional response in the listener or reader. Were you one of the millions who responded emotionally to "Love me Tender"?
Sequim Bay in Washington
Let's look at some writing.
I wrote this at Sequim Bay in Washington while on a camping trip. It's still written in my trip journal and I looked back at it in search of something to use in this hub.
The bay of water
Where fish glow in the dark
I throw gravel in by the handful
And it looks
Like fireworks in the water.
Was that poetry?
Apart from its length, were these few lines I wrote on Sequim Bay poetry or prose?
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Is this poetry, verse or prose?
#1 The want of you is like no other thing; it smites my soul with sudden sickening; it binds my being with a wreath of rue-- this want of you. (Ivan Wright)
#2 Is it a sin to love thee? Then my soul is deeply dyed, for my lifeblood, as it gushes takes its crimson from love's tide; and I feel its waves roll o're me and the blushes mount my brow and my pulses quicken wildly, as the love dreams come and go. (Unknown)
#3 I went to the animal fair,
The birds and the beasts were there.
The big baboon, by the light of the moon,
Was combing his auburn hair.
#4 And then the cat came. After the rains, when Grandfather and I were silent and uneasy with each other, and the lawn grew too long, and June bugs threw themselves against the lamplit screens, I heard the soft thump as the cat jumped up to my sill. (Patricia MacLachlan, Journey, p. 38)
#5 I heard the creaking door as I sat at my desk, writing,
And the the floor beneath me and the chair I sat in shook
and the shaking echoed in my heart. (B. Radisavljevic)
{Sorry about the formatting above. I don't know how to single space without the HTML editor, and it wouldn't open this time. And we did have a brief earthquake, the second tonight, as I wrote that.)
I have changed the formatting on some of these excerpts on purpose. I am going to share some principles below and then throw the discussion open in the comments to let you sound off on whether these excerpts are poetry, prose, or just unpoetic verse. Since nobody here but me wrote any of them, no one's feelings will be hurt and you can have at it.
I Am So Proud from the Mikado
What makes poetry poetry?
In the five examples I gave above, there were different formats, but the format does not make a poem. I love the simple definition Shelley Tucker gives for poetry in the book Writing Poetry: " A poem is a compact piece of writing that contains one or more poetic elements. "
What are poetic elements? The repeated rhythm of sounds is one. It might be a repeated consonant sound (alliteration) or a vowel sound (assonance). Those are the two easiest to identify for our purposes here. To illustrate both of them I will share another video which has both. This song, "I Am So Proud," is one of my favorites from "The Mikado," by Gilbert and Sullivan. If you are unfamiliar with this light opera in English, I have written about it at Squidoo: Gilbert and Sullivan, the Mikado, and Me, and you can get the story there, since it's pretty intricate. The three characters in the video are trying to decide which of them should be executed by beheading. Each gives his reasons why he'd volunteer, but finds a face-saving reason why he can't. At the end they sing together about the fate of the unlucky one:
To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dark dock,
In a pestilential prison, with a life-long lock,
Awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock,
From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big black block!
Although you can see the consonants and the vowels repeated if you look, this was really meant for your ears to hear. So it will be better if you listen to the video. You will also hear the rhyming words at the ends of the lines, another element used in poetry, in this song. Gilbert was a genius at using these poetic devices, but they are intended to be heard, like most poetry, not just read.
The End of the Matter is This
Clement Wood shared the definitions many renowned poets and critics gave of poetry. Most were so broad they meant little. He quoted Bryant, Lee Hunt, Samuel Johnson, and Macauley, and finally Shelley, who said poetry was "the record of the best and happiest moments of the best and happiest minds." If you've ever read the life and work of Edgar Allen Poe, who was far from happy, and many of the other poets, you will be aware that it was not always the happiest moments they wrote about. So it would seem this definition is nonsense.
By the time I finished reading quotes from the dictionary and from Wordsworth, who said it was "emotion recollected in tranquillity," and Matthew Arnold who said: "Poetry is simply the most beautiful, impressive , and widely effective mode of saying things," I conclude with Wood that no one really can say for sure what poetry is, and how it differs from prose. Coleridge said the difference was this: "Prose is words in the best order, poetry is the best words in the best order." I think many prose writers also choose the best words in the best order for the effect they want to have on a reader. Some prose is poetic. Some of what is intended to be poetry, isn't.
I believe poetry is using sounds, rhythm, and /or rhyme in ways that repeat themselves while using imagery and figurative language to inspire an emotional reaction in the reader or listener. That might be love, sorrow, a sense of loss, happiness, compassion, or even humor. It is not necessary for words at the end of lines to rhyme, and blank verse is more popular now than other more regulated poetic forms. But even blank verse has repeated rhythms and sounds, just as a song does. Formatting a piece of writing with short lines and starting each line with a capital letter doesn't make something poetry. Neither does a perfect verse have to be a poem. It's my opinion that a verse that does not reach the heart or funny bone of a reader probably isn't poetry. It's also true that what reaches my heart might not reach yours.
Now I leave the rest of this hub to you. Are the five examples I gave above poetry or prose? Pick and choose the ones you want to talk about by number so we will all be on the same page. Be sure and give the reasons for your opinion and we will all learn something. As to the first bit I wrote about Sequim Bay, I don't consider it poetry. It would be interesting to see what you poets would do to make it poetry. I have my own ideas, but I'd rather see yours in the comments. Have fun. That's what poetry is supposed to be, unless, of course, it's sad.
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WannaB.:
I can't get interested in what is called "poetry in prose."
I like "rhyming" poetry.
I re-worked one you offered from "unknown:"
"Is it a sin to love thee?
Then my soul is deeply dyed,
for my lifeblood,
as it gushes,
takes its crimson from love's (eternal) tide;
and I feel its waves roll o're me
and the blushes mount my brow
and my pulses quicken wildly,
as the love dreams come and go."
This is rhyming poetry with a nice cadence and balance.
I like it.
Qwark
NP "unknown" lol :)
If ya add a comma at the end of "crimson' and pause, when reading outloud, then drop: "from love's (eternal) tide," to the next line below, It seems, to me, to have a smoother flow.
Nice poem Wannabe! :)
Qwark
OK Wannab:
Hahaha...golly!
I may not have improved upon it, but it read better to me with my addition...lol
I've written very little "Poetry."
I don't enjoy reading what is loosely called "poetry in prose."
My one "giant" effort, which I published, is this one:
http://hubpages.com/hub/qwark93
If you read it, I'd be interested in a response...bad or good..:)
Are you going to write poetry?
If you do and it's rhyming, let me know. I'll read and respond and let ya know if I want to "follow" ya. :)
Thanks
Qwark
I think for me Poetry is whatever I want it to be...I'm always experimenting...I've never been a conformist...But I enjoyed reading what you had to say Wannab. I'm also a story teller...a ball of a lot of imagination...and if I've made just one person, laugh, or smile, or enjoy...to me that's what it's all about.
I'm so glad you've commented on my hub, for I know after I've read this hub about poetry and verse, I should follow you. This is an interesting hub I will ponder for days. I don't regard myself as a poet, though I often express my thoughts in this genre... more or less. I've voted this up and awesome!
Great discussion...and HUBS ....Will be following you just so you can continue to sweep the cobwebs from my brain! ;)
...I will proudly post this most essential and definitive hub subject to my Facebook page with a direct link back here .....I have just come online for the first time in my life back in 2009 January and just started writing in a poetic format; naturally I wouldn't call myself a traditional poet in the traditional sense of the word - but great writing is great writing no matter what form or shape or style it may take and I always say to anyone - just write with your heart and the mind will follow - and yes, just be yourself.
So nice to meet you and I do love the amount of effort and work you put into your hubs.
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Sally's Trove 14 months ago
Well, I've been puzzling over this Hub for a while this morning, because I am that poetry-challenged Hubber. You've done a great job of filling my head with questions!
So here's the first one. If poetry is a form of verse, then when is verse not poetry? And let me add to my own confusion, this: a verse can be defined as a single line in a larger work, but "verse" is also a structured longer form of writing that is, what, not poetry?
In trying to fix my own confusion, I found this article, "Is It Poetry or Is It Verse?", at the Poetry Foundation:
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/journal/article.ht
It took a while to get through all the text and comments, but it was worth it. From the author, "Verse is not an instrument of exploration, but rather a tool of affirmation. Its rewards lie not in the excitements of discovery, but in the pleasures of encountering the familiar. Writers of verse have done their job when they make lines that conform to the chosen meter—and do not go beyond it."
As you can imagine, some of the comments got pretty hot!
If I puzzle over this for too much longer, I'll delete my comment and go cry in my beer! :)
Meanwhile, I'm going to sit back and enjoy what commenters here will have to say about the five examples. I can't unwind my own tangles about poetry and verse yet, so I'm in no position to opine.
Voted up and useful.